You know why people don't like cops?

"My bird IS the word" (mybirdistheword) 04/04/2020 at 00:49 • Filed to: None

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So fyi if you get pulled over just say you were going for a walk or to get groceries or some shit.

CB > My bird IS the word 04/04/2020 at 00:53

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“Totality of the situation" means that she was likely unpleasant about being told to stay home. I know most law enforcement here in Canada are going the education and warning route more than the charge route.

Goggles Pizzano > My bird IS the word 04/04/2020 at 00:54

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CB > Goggles Pizzano 04/04/2020 at 00:56

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The answer is drive faster (probably not)

Now even more fun: the cop is doing five under. Do I pass while driving the speed limit?

Goggles Pizzano > CB 04/04/2020 at 01:00

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Absolutely, yes. 6 or 7 over, h alf an exit later you’re good to go.

ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com > CB 04/04/2020 at 01:03

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This. Being an asshole to the cop, even if they might deserve it, is never a good strategic move.

I’ve also been on the other side of that back in my paralegal days for a special prosecutor (doing occasional misdemeanors , traffic citations where the defendant hired representation and mainly DWI cases). I only had two cases that were a contempt of cop situation. Both times I had to call up the officer to let them know we had to dismiss the case. Both times the conversation with the cop basically went “... yep, I know this has to go away. They were being an asshole that needed to go to jail  for the night, so I obliged them...”

AestheticsInMotion > CB 04/04/2020 at 01:08

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Trick question. Obviously his gas pedal has something lodged behind it, giving you free reign to drop a gear, light some tires up and haul ass past him at 50 over the limit.

CB > AestheticsInMotion 04/04/2020 at 01:08

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Bold strategy!

InFierority Complex > CB 04/04/2020 at 01:15

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I don’t know, just fly casual?

Chariotoflove > My bird IS the word 04/04/2020 at 01:16

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The big problem with a lot of cops is that many think they need to assume an aggressive posture with everyone. Body language makes all the difference when trying to project “serve and protect” vs. enforce. Cops who are over themselves are a delight to talk to and reasonable.

Also, even if a driver is being a dick, the professional will keep his cool.  Everyone says don’t piss off the cop, but the other side is that no cop should be using his badge to “win” the argument. Again, I’ve seen both good and bad at this.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > My bird IS the word 04/04/2020 at 01:17

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Mercifully, we have a “shelter-in-place” order which allows for leisurely drives and walks, though all parks are closed and whatnot.

Sounds like the cop just wanted to mess with the kid. Anyone can lie and say they're going to pick up groceries or whatever, right? It's no one's damn business what you're doing especially if you're not harming anyone else. You can't spread COVID-19 driving alone on a back road....

ttyymmnn > My bird IS the word 04/04/2020 at 01:18

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So, according to the article, are you not allowed to go buy take out from a restaurant? 

fintail > My bird IS the word 04/04/2020 at 01:24

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This is why every interaction should be on camera.

Heaven forbid a teenager besmirch the delicate ego of some of these guys.   Served and protected, job well done.

fintail > ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com 04/04/2020 at 01:32

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I am thrilled to know that scarce public resources are being used for such ethical and responsible reasons.

ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com > fintail 04/04/2020 at 01:48

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It was rare, and this was for a small town without the kind of oversight one would find in large metro police department (that I went through a police academy for). Most of the work I did involved negotiating pleas and tracking down cops to get additional information and/or all of the documentation inline for DWI prosecutions (to ensure we all got to the stage of negotiating deals, which is how 90%+ of cases are disposed).

There was also the amending of criminal complaints to charge folks with the correct crimes. Those conversations with (usually the same couple of cops) tended along the lines “tell me what happened... No don’t read me the complaint;I’ve got that in front of me... in your own words, walk me through the everything that happened on the call...” Strangely, it was often a case of the officer not charging the defendant as severely as the facts supported. They might have been trying to give them something of a break, but undercharging caused problems down the road on the prosecution end where we had nothing to negotiate with to get to a deal.

DipodomysDeserti > CB 04/04/2020 at 02:00

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I have friends that went from being marine snipers in Fallujah to being local cops. Who you get as a cop here is a shit show. You get a kid who earned his stripes as as a teen  running checkpoints in Iraq and you’re someone suffering from mental illness? Not a good combo.

CB > DipodomysDeserti 04/04/2020 at 02:12

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Some cops are definitely attuned to their responses different. You have fighters, “I am the law” types, negotiators, social workers, slackers, et cetera. No cop is good at it all. And many cops are bad at it all and shouldn’t be cops, but that is neither here nor there.

DipodomysDeserti > CB 04/04/2020 at 02:27

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Yup. I assume every cop is like my friends who learned to be cops by managing an Iraqi civil war as teenagers.

Haven’t had a ticket in a decade or so since I ran Mt. Lemmon at 3x the posted speed limit, thank you, Officer Taducci, for not hauling my ass to jail.

RPM esq. > Goggles Pizzano 04/04/2020 at 02:36

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Having once spent the better part of an hour with a   gun in my face for the crime of driving 5 under on a rural road whose speed limit I didn’t know while a cop rode my bumper —Trooper Farva pulled me over only once I used a pullout so he could pass — I can confirm that in fact there is no right answer.

LastFirstMI is my name > CB 04/04/2020 at 02:53

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True. Half of what they do is mental health intervention. Each patrol  pair should be a cop and a social worker/counselor. With body cams on everybody to keep everyone honest.

CB > LastFirstMI is my name 04/04/2020 at 03:18

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I'm all for body cams and mental health training. Some larger cities in Canada run cars with a cop and social worker, but Canada is very big with a lot of rural spots, where it's hard enough to get mental health help as is.

FSI > My bird IS the word 04/04/2020 at 03:28

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Well, nobody needs ICUs filled with bikers and whatnot in the current situation. I’m super pissed off as well that I can’t just sit in the car and go for a spin. That said friends of mine got t ickets for washing their cars. 

facw > CB 04/04/2020 at 06:19

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Yes, and be grateful that the cop is doing their part to avoid being a rolling roadblock by driving a bit slow so people can pass them without breaking the law.

Sovande > My bird IS the word 04/04/2020 at 08:02

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The order is to stay at home, not go out driving around. If it was an order to go driving around, they would have called it a drive around order. 

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > Goggles Pizzano 04/04/2020 at 08:11

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Yeah, this is just shitty “police patrol tactics”... They’ll hang on your bumper for a couple of miles, trying to spook you into “doing something” so they can pull you over. It’s fucking annoying.

I can see why our communities of color feel oppressed by this shit.  Because if the cops will do this to some guy in a late model Audi or Suburban, what do they do to you in a 20 year old Lumina with a dent and a broken taillight?

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > CB 04/04/2020 at 08:11

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Pass him on the shoulder...

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > Chariotoflove 04/04/2020 at 08:13

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Too much of the recent training is “seize control of the situation” instead of “analyze and evaluate”. The drilling of military equipment and tactics ain’t helping. He’s patrolling a leafy suburb, not Fallujah, FFS.

My bird IS the word > CB 04/04/2020 at 08:55

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I mean, that is my guess. They still shouldn't be writing tickets just because they don't like someone

My bird IS the word > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 04/04/2020 at 08:58

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Watched steve lehto’s vid and he suggested keeping quiet, pleading the 5th. They need to prove that you were not out for a legitamate reason and they cannot do that.

My bird IS the word > Sovande 04/04/2020 at 08:59

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Sure are risking infecting alot of people driving around in your sealed car, instead of staying in your sealed house.

My bird IS the word > ttyymmnn 04/04/2020 at 09:00

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No, we are because the restaurants are still open. Thats " getting food"

Sovande > My bird IS the word 04/04/2020 at 09:25

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People in cars are very rarely not going anywhere. There is generally a destination. Sometimes people crash cars. Then a bunch of first responders  have to come in contact with a person who is potentially infected. Or, the person who crashed could have just stayed the fuck home like the people in charge asked and limit being outside for things that are, in fact, essential. 

My bird IS the word > Sovande 04/04/2020 at 09:44

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Well fortunately in america we are innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around.

Sovande > My bird IS the word 04/04/2020 at 10:04

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And she was guilty. A leisurely drive isn’t considered, by the state of Pennsylvania, to be “essential travel” as they have defined during this current period . The governor ordered that people stay at home. He didn’t order that people stay at home or go out drive around leisurely. I mean, fuck the police and all that , but in this situation, fuck some lady who thinks she is above the rules because she is just going for a drive.

SpecsGTP > My bird IS the word 04/04/2020 at 10:07

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Wait, no one wanted to complain that she was pulled over for a vehicle code violation???

My bird IS the word > SpecsGTP 04/04/2020 at 10:18

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No. Safety violations can actually hurt people, unlike taking a drive around the neighborhood to get out of the house.

My bird IS the word > Sovande 04/04/2020 at 10:23

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Looking through the comments I think you are in the minority on this one. I still dont think taking a spin around your neighborhood is putting anyone in great danger. We have people upset that some people are going on walks outside instead of staying indoors, like the air is some kind of poison. Plenty of other states are allowing it.

SpecsGTP > My bird IS the word 04/04/2020 at 10:52

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But if there was no infraction, then the stop never occurs.

My bird IS the word > SpecsGTP 04/04/2020 at 11:33

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That’s basically the gist. How do the cops actually know why anyone is on the road without asking? I like steve lehto’s video on it :

Sovande > My bird IS the word 04/04/2020 at 12:25

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People commenting on this blog aren't my barometer for good choices. 

Chariotoflove > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 04/04/2020 at 13:02

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One thing I always found amusing is that police officers call the folks they serve “civilians”, while military folks call local  police “civilians”. It strikes me as funny, but also telling that the civilian police implicitly view themselves in a militaristic role.  Again, not all police, but enough that it’s a stereotype.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > Chariotoflove 04/04/2020 at 13:12

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I had the displeasure (unpleasure?) a few years ago to have my office broken into. An investigation ensued... The local beat cops were total dicks. Just complete ucking fassholes. On the other hand? The detective I had assigned was great- helpful, understanding, gracious. So, apparently if you are smart enough and effective enough to get out of a uniform? the cream rises.

I can’t say enough nice things about the assigned detective.  The beat cops were the worst, though.

Chariotoflove > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 04/04/2020 at 13:20

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That’s why they probably won’t make detective.

Now on the other hand, I do have to give a shout out to at least one beat cop who was directing traffic at the airport. When another gu y hit me, the cop I waved over took his own pics for both of us, wrote everything down as he brokered information transfer, and was just generally helpful. Traffic duty at the airport can not have been what he went to the academy for, but he didn’t let it show.

jimz > My bird IS the word 04/04/2020 at 17:19

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Michigan’s Attorney General clarified that police cannot stop motorists “just because” to see why they’re out and about. Once they have you for a lawful traffic stop, they are allowed to ask.

https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/2020/03/30/ag-michigan-police-cannot-stop-drivers-solely-stay-home-order/5087220002/

If they are doing that, it’s likely due to lack of clarity from above.

but reading the linked story by the OP, it sounds more like the driver decided to be a pain in the ass about it. 

SpecsGTP > My bird IS the word 04/04/2020 at 19:11

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Without the vehicle infraction (I’m assuming an out taillight, expired registration, etc.) then the officer has no chance to stop and ask where they are traveling to.

It’s the same thing I used to teach my automotive classes: don’t give the cop a reason to stop you and you’ll have plenty of happy motoring, because the typical “good shift” is 3 tickets and an arrest. If he can do it in o ne stop...